I suppose, like Brandi stated, reading this chapter opened my eyes to different trains of thought though. Sure. I have always believed that science/evolution and Christianity can easily coexist. But, that is where it kind of ends for me. Change ). Like Rachel, I too stayed away from conversations so not to get “run over” by scientific intellectuals. But my acceptance has not made me question anything and I think that has made me weaker in my argument for Jesus. tallula - 2012 From my back patio I can see the sun rise each morning, and from my front porch I can see the sun set each evening. When I was a bit younger, it was easy to ignore science and just ‘believe.’ As I grew in my faith, I learned that God is a god who makes sense. But this perspective is a huge eye opener to me. There is an argument by Keller that evolution versus philosophical naturalism is the better debate than Christianity versus evolution. Why? This is the sixth post in a 15-week study. My perspective hasn’t really changed except to ask for wisdom so I won’t back off or avoid certain conversations. This passage offers us, the reader, several things: it is a reminder that those who lived and walked alongside Jesus doubted, and so do we. A quick note to those of y’all who are not participants: – Please read along as we go through the study chapter by chapter, and contemplate the questions we’ll be tackling. since doing apologia science with my kiddos for school- i have seen so much how science backs up the Bible and creationism– also- jonathan park CDs do a great job of using science to defend creationism– but i agree with his point– that we shouldn’t let ourselves get stuck on Genesis 1– it is not the crux of the Bible– our salvation thru Jesus IS. One of the main reasons science seems to clash with religion is that most major faiths believe in miracles or the intervention of God into man's life. His miracles are not just proofs that he has power but also wonderful foretastes of what he is going to do with that power. As Keller says at the end of the chapter, this debate isn’t what matters; accepting and trying to understand Christ, as well as a relationship with God, are what truly matter. Richard Dawkins wrote that one cannot be an intelligent advocate of science and hold on to religious beliefs. I respectfully ask – if you are not participating – that you refrain from commenting on the Reason for God posts, simply to help keep things well… simple. To some degree even after reading the chapter, that’s still my go to answer. I really enjoyed the different perspectives discussed in this chapter, and I remain confident that science and Christianity can coexist. So why is it so hard for these same people to believe in God? I will be traveling north to see him and the rest of my family next month and I am praying for the wisdom when our conversation turns back to Jesus and I am also praying he will read this book! Reading this chapter though made me think that my faith may be a little blinding. The correct viewpoint, for those considering Christianity, is to think of the main claims of Christ. “Miracles are hard to believe in, and they should be.” (p.98) The biblical account of the apostles meeting the resurrected Jesus on a mountainside even depicts some of them doubting; “When they saw him, they worshipped him; but some doubted” (Matthew 28:17). How amazing to watch those teeny, tiny red spiders survive–and thrive–through the ages! Chapter Two: How Could A Good God Allow Suffering? The biggest perspective changer for me was the last paragraph of the chapter (quoted above). This is the main reason why I wanted to participate in this study! Grab the code, paste it into your Reason for God post and link up below. Could evolution and creation be intertwined in some way? I’m just responding to this chapter now. The idea of a scorching hell and an angry judging God scares away a lot of possible believers. I just believe that God created the world and everything in it and never really worry about the exact how, but just like many of you I tend to keep quiet about any debate. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. It was during my Ph.D. studies (in the godless science of economics) that I developed the understanding that there is MUCH more about the world- science and religion, human interactions, cultures etc., that a person is not going to understand than an individual is going to understand. I wanted to take the time to apologize since I am so thankful for this study and how much all of you are helping to increase and expand my faith. That was definitely a fear/doubt that was hidden deep in my soul and God is putting it on my heart and beginning to help me work through it. “How amazing to calculate how many miles from earth the sun is!”…and exactly the right distance from the sun so that we don’t freeze nor burn! everything you need to sharpen your knowledge of The Reason for God. I am a scientist and have been interested in science since I was a very small child. Keller starts out this chapter with the statement “… that science in general, and evolutionary science in particular, has made belief in God unnecessary and obsolete.” (p.87) He uses Richard Dawkins as an example; from Dawkins’ book The God Delusion, Keller says, “[Dawkins] argues that you cannot be an intelligent scientific thinker and still hold religious beliefs.” (p.87), Aren’t Miracles Scientifically Impossible, A major scientific argument against most religions in general, and Christianity in particular, is a belief in miracles. I pray to be half so eloquent the next time the topic comes up in conversation. I love your explanation. I like that Keller calls these debates “intramural” because the real show is the person and the work of Jesus Christ. gawsh. To me, there is no issue between the two, and as Keller points out, most people don’t see the side of the moderates because the media only focuses on the conflict side. Could God have created the world in six literal 24 hour chunks a few thousand years ago? What I enjoyed about this chapter, though, is how it has made me think deeper and review some of the things I already knew, in order to have an educated discussion about the topic. isabelle - 2005, a dirty secret in adoption And why have I not sought out the answers on my own? Miracles performed by God are for the purpose of restoring the natural order of the world. Miracles do happen and Jesus showed his love for all through them, which I never really thought of in that way before. and so true! the ugly, beautiful truth My understanding is that a big part of faith is trusting without complete understanding. From the very beginning He was thinking of us. The Reason for God by Tim Keller: Chapter 6. crazy And then, we must look at our doubts, our questions in light of God’s truth. I go into a bit more depth in my comment about the different ways I think both science and creation can coexist if you’re interested in reading more about that. Erin – your statement, “I used to think I had to have the answers, especially for my kids” is exactly where I used to be on this topic too. I am one of those, like Amy, that believes science proves there is a God. “Christians who accept the Bible’s authority agree that the primary goal of Biblical interpretation is to discover the Biblical author’s original meaning as he sought to be understood by his audience,” according to Keller. Amy. special needs: my .02 The incompatibility of science and the Bible has never been something I’ve really focused on. I have never considered this to be a hindrance in my faith. I don’t believe in a literal interpretation of the 6 days being 24 hours each and only that, because I believe that puts God in a box. my chinese son, © 2020 Ni Hao Yall • Designed by Restored 316 Designs, there's no such thing as an easy adoption, china travel tips by a crazed adoptive mama. There are many things science cannot prove but the scientific world still believes in them. Me Too! To have faith, you must give the subject consideration and choose to believe. I believe He did it in such a way to create beauty and pleasure for His children. I am so glad I am involved in this study with all of you. Fear? I am so reminded that, to receive wisdom, all we need to do is ask. i am a science-ignorer, too! My response to this chapter comes with a huge admission. Your thoughts and perspectives are opening my eyes and helping me so much. Chapter Six: Science Has Disproved Christianity, Chapter Seven: You Can't Take the Bible Literally, Chapter Twelve: The (True) Story of the Cross, Chapter Thirteen: The Reality of the Resurrection, teaching or studying The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism. That’s the “God said it. “Alister McGrath, a theologian with an Oxford doctorate in biophysics, writes that most of the many unbelieving scientists he knows are atheists on other grounds than their science.” (p.93) One of the other reasons, a leading sociologist notes, is our relationship with fellow humans, Keller says. i truly did not understand the science in the Bible before doing that science curriculum– also listen to jonathan park CDs– WOW_- they do an AMAZING job using hard science to prove creationism. How amazing to calculate how many miles from earth the sun is! I could be entirely wrong and the simple view of Creationism could be the truth. To look at the vast universe and believe it all came together randomly? The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism from, Order our The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism Study Guide, Chapter One: There Can't Be Just One True Religion. Sometimes I haven’t known what to think about miracles and it definitely felt soothing to my soul to know that it’s okay to doubt them and ask God for help trusting Him about them. penelope - 2011 The last two were pretty deep!! But, as I walked around the museum, I was pretty sure I didn’t quite believe that brand any longer. The methodology of science addresses natural causes; it goes beyond its boundaries when it claims that there can be no other kind of causes. Miracles are especially an important part of Christianity. So, how about all the highly “intelligent” scientists who are atheists? That settles it” tshirts. I definitely need to get better at asking for wisdom rather than running away from the conversation. I know many Christians argue for a strict interpretation of the Bible, and you may, too, but it may help your brother to understand that many different perspectives exist and that it is okay to think different things. vivienne - 2010 Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. I began my critique of Keller’s The Reason for God with an exposé of everything up through Chapter 1, then Chapter 2, and Chapters 3 through 5.Here I will cover Chapter 6 (and next 7). I think it takes faith to live in the unknown. He refers to the account in Matthew’s Gospel when the apostles meet the risen Jesus. I feel like I’ll still want to run away a little. This was a pretty important chapter for me since my favorite brother recently said to me, “I have trouble with God because I am more of a science guy.” It broke my heart because at the time I felt like I didn’t have the words or the wisdom to argue with him. Jesus has come to redeem where it is wrong and heal the world where it is broken. I don’t feel that I can help anyone to understand creation because I lack the wisdom to explain anything about it. My first thought after reading the question was to say that no, the seeming incompatibility between science and the Bible has not been a hindrance. clementine - 2014 and yet, like you said, we can ask for wisdom and God will provide! The other premise proposed by the disbelief in miracles is that there is no God to generate such miracles. This has never been an area of struggle for me. co-sleeping, why we do it. “It is one thing to say that science is only equipped to test for natural causes and cannot speak to any others. God and me. He says that the first reason many think science has disproved traditional religion is that most of the major faiths believe in miracles. '” (p. 90) Keller provides the argument that “When evolution is turned into an All-encompassing Theory explaining absolutely everything we believe, feel, and do as the product of natural selection, then we are not in the arena of science, but of philosophy.” (p.91).